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[personal profile] miafeliz commented in my last Christian Taliban entry that the modesty movement drives her up a wall. So this link is "A Week In Feminine Dress" from http://lily-maiden.blogspot.com

http://lily-maiden.blogspot.com/2008_05_01_archive.html

Did you know that quasi-Edwardian clothes are required for salvation, and for keeping boys chaste? Inner burqa, ahoy.

But wait, it gets horribler. Look at the clothes these girls are wearing. At first I didn't think it was odd; they are practicing for a dance recital and those Little House on the Prairie get-ups are their costumes, right?

Wrong! Those are their EVERYDAY CLOTHES.

http://lily-maiden.blogspot.com/2007/05/where-have-i-been-lately.html

This blog is creepy because it's a self-imposed world where males and females are kept separate, females are shoved firmly into gender roles of being pretty and staying at home and doing feminine things like dancing and interacting with nature only as far as taking quiet walks in the rain with a male relative while saying the Rosary. It's worse that they are held responsible for the cleanliness of boys' thoughts, a scenario a friend of mine once called "being your penis's babysitter".

But at least Lily isn't at all cruel. That's my job, but Colleen Hammond has me beat in the mean-spiritedness department:

http://colleenhammond.blogspot.com

Colleen loves to be pious and holy, but she's a right bitch. I try feebly towards being a bitch, but I'm an admitted agnostic, so it's rather pathetic really.

Date: 2008-11-19 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dropsofgleam.livejournal.com
It seems Colleen Hammon deleted her blogspot. =/

And I still think that the Lily Maiden crap not only gives a bad rep to women who *do* choose to either stay at home and/or use long skirts, but MY GOD THE UGLY COSTUMES.

Date: 2008-11-19 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenesue.livejournal.com
This girl sounds like a really good prospect for becoming a nun, if there was an order devoted to pretty pretty habits. Well, she won't tempt good boys into being naughty, but she's going to get the surprise of her life if ever she is molested by rapist because she won't understand that it's about Power rather than Sex. God protect her.

There does not seem to be a blogspot by the name of colleen-hammond, should it have something other than a hyphen maybe?

Date: 2008-11-19 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azelmaroark.livejournal.com
...The top on Day 4 is kinda cute, and I like the scarves...

Date: 2008-11-19 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowcell.livejournal.com
"being your penis's babysitter"

I wonder how many pornos have started from that phrase.

Really, though, for my own personal discernment, I hope the Modesty movement catches on. That way the wackjob women can clearly label themselves as wackjobs, and I can avoid them, and they can be chaste and pure and alone and spiteful. It works out well for everybody.

Date: 2008-11-19 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theletterelle.livejournal.com
Modesty survey? MODESTY SURVEY??

Fuck. That. Noise. And dammit, women, quit congratulating yourself for your personal dress sense! What you choose to wear or not to wear does not make you better than someone else! God DAMN, do I want to slap some people.

Date: 2008-11-19 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] garpu.livejournal.com
http://colleenhammond.blogspot.com/2008/11/having-second-life-second-wife-proves.html

And she takes aim at MMO's. got news for her. "Second Life" isn't an MMO. Not even close.

Date: 2008-11-19 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cinchntouch.livejournal.com
The top picture looks like a chorus line of dweebs. In a strange sort of way I feel sorry for her. I can't imagine what it was like for her growing up.

Date: 2008-11-20 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prushrush.livejournal.com
This all strikes me as being very sad.

Date: 2008-11-20 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miafeliz.livejournal.com
Oh man... I've actually seen both those blogs. I discovered them after someone mentioned them on a Catholic writer's list I sporadically read, so being the curious gal that I am, I had to check them out. It was amusing in a way-- I agree that Colleen Hammond's blog comes across as holier than thou, I'm a better kind of Catholic than the rest of you, tripe.

I feel sorry for Clare at Lilymaiden. Her life is so narrowly focused and the real world isn't puppy dogs, angels and roses all the time. It can be ugly, nasty and cruel, but it can also be wonderful, rewarding and fulfilling if you get a taste of it. She needs to know that there might not always be someone to take care of her, and what's she gonna do if she has no education, 10 kids and a husband who leaves her for a not-so-modest woman?

Date: 2008-11-20 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kwokj.livejournal.com
haha... reminds me of back in my high school years, before the age of the blog, I asked my parents if it would be okay if I put up a personal webpage. My mother called that immodest.

Date: 2008-11-20 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] die-uberfrau.livejournal.com
I looked at both of those sites just now.

I don't think wearing long skirts and homeschooling is bad in and of itself, I have to say.

I wear skirts most of the time, and yeah, I am a hausfrau. However, I don't think I'm morally superior to others for either of those reasons. The skirts are more comfortable (I'd wear skirts if I was a guy, too) and I will wear "immodest" tank tops with them, and I would never wear one of those fug bonnets on my head. I'm home because I'm on Disability, but I try to make the most of my time.

I was homeschooled for part of high school because I was seriously bullied and I was already socially inept, homeschooling didn't make that better or worse. I have met homeschooled kids like my ex "Fundie Dan" who basically had no lives outside their church and family and when they were introduced to the real world, suffered for it. That does not mean all homeschooling is always bad, I think there is a way to do it without permanently screwing up your kids but obviously fundie nutjobs beget more fundie nutjobs.

And that's ultimately what is wrong with these sites: fundie nutjobs. If people think a clothing choice or keeping their kids' minds "free from outside 'worldly' influence" makes them morally superior, I call fundie nutjob.

Date: 2008-11-20 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marphilly.livejournal.com
Oh, there was a bunch like this demonstrating in front of Independence Hall last 4th of July. It's the height of tourist season in Philly during the 4th so we get all sorts. It was kind of funny because they were in close proximity to some Mumia Abu-Jamal supporters. Little House costumes next to dreadlocks. It was quite a sight.

Date: 2008-11-20 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] isolani.livejournal.com
Shame, pretty girl too. Why am I not surprised she's homeschooled?

Date: 2008-11-20 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowcell.livejournal.com
On the other hand, if they are ever allowed to leave the house, their sheltered and ignorant ways mean you can hit their unsuspecting brains with some awesome jokes and pickup lines.

"Hey, wanna feel the Holy Spirit in you?"

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