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The overall tenor of recent Mariology seems to be an acknowledgement that her disappearance after Vatican II has left a void. This void is palpable, but before it can be filled the question must be asked, what is Mary's role and what does she mean, once we have stripped off the worst excesses of 19th century maximalization?

Once I answer that and incorporate it into the dissertation, I think I might just be done....

(Yes, it's 4 a.m. The brain is working away, trying to figure out what I can *achieve* with my three weeks before AT, since looking for a job with it looming is futile, and I have the UI, so I might as well profit off of it.)

Date: 2006-07-18 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] contemplatio.livejournal.com
Hmm. Lately I've been meditating on the differences between Montfort's and Kolbe's Marian consecrations.

What is the topic of your dissertation and will you be sharing it's completed?

Date: 2006-07-18 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] contemplatio.livejournal.com
Bah! Two sips of Diet Coke with Lime does *not* constitute an allowable amount of caffeine intake prior to posting. Will you be sharing your dissertation when it's completed?

Date: 2006-07-18 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kishiriadgr.livejournal.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_of_Ocotlan

I'm comparing this Mexican Virgin to Guadalupe.

Wiki article by me, with formatting help from [profile] youngfreud.

Date: 2006-07-18 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] garpu.livejournal.com
You're talking Mary's void in the mainstream population? Because I was under the impression that Marian apparitions has only climbed since Vatican II.

Date: 2006-07-18 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kishiriadgr.livejournal.com
That's a symptom, though. All the May crownings, rosary services, Little Offices, and other Marian "paraliturgies" (love that word!) have vanished from most churches. The abundance of marian apparitions is to me a sign that people *need* Mary. I don't think the Church has completely grasped what Mary's new career path should be, and that's the problem. So I'm going to examine a few trends.

Date: 2006-07-18 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] garpu.livejournal.com
Oooh, gotcha. The snarky person in me wants to say "doormat," but it may chance once I get some coffee in.

Date: 2006-07-18 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] americanstd.livejournal.com
I like cheese.

Date: 2006-07-18 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsofblue.livejournal.com
I do too, Daddy! When you come home, feed me some, okay?

Date: 2006-07-18 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paedraggaidin.livejournal.com
I just picked up Encountering Mary from the library today. :)

Date: 2006-07-27 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kishiriadgr.livejournal.com
Since it's now a week or so later, how are you finding it?

Date: 2006-07-31 08:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paedraggaidin.livejournal.com
Gah, sorry for the delay. Stupid email.

I'm almost finished with it, and I've liked it a lot. It's been very refreshing to read a factual account of the apparitions that neither pushes them as Holy Writ nor condemns them as outright superstition.

I found the discussion about Fatima very enlightening, especially the whole anti-communism aspect (I hadn't known that Sister Lucia had been a public anti-communist in the 60s). The almost zealous fervor with which people treated the Third Secret is also telling.

This stuff really is almost like what Americans commonly term "cults." The fact that they're centered around the Virgin Mary doesn't mitigate the mob-mentality of the whole thing. The chapters about Garabandal were especially interesting in that regard; the fervor with which its devotees are still pressing Rome to "change its mind" some forty-odd years on just smacks of a "cult." It's as nuts as the whole "rapture" thing which currently has Evangelicalism in its grip.

Thanks for the suggestion. :)

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